strike the result is that the, your, you have it needs, there are plenty of nuclear power plants in the united kingdom where we come from in france, in germany, and they need that own reserves. and what is the power of that? i'm power. i think that will save time, look at africa as we now know, especially they'll probably put pressure on the french to do that. but as, as, as we cover a lot on the program, the african nations now turning around to say, no, we're not going to give you these cheap minute rows and results from our country. the african countries are going to want more money for those resources. probably a lot more than what they're paying in russia, and that's going to make energy fall more expensive to the average consumer in the us lot. so all the time we've had to squeeze this in this hour. but for more all the stories that we've been covering, don't forget, you've done head over to our website on the the,

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the 9th of may is a venerated day on the russian calendar in march, the victory over fascism in europe in 1945. tragically the collective west just for gotten this news cross talking victory day, i'm joined by my guest letter middle goldstein in providence. he is the chair of the department of slavic studies at brown university. in belgrade we have steven guides. he is a research associate at build raids institute of european studies adding b on and we crossed to alexander markovich. he is head of the 2 vote off institute in vienna. i found in cross lock rules, and in fact, that means he can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate vladimir, you were born in the soviet union. so i want to go down history lane since this is actually a program about history, a very important history for millions and millions of people around the world, particularly in russia. what was victory day like when you were living in the soviet union as well?

it was, i'm really, really, you know, joyful a holiday. you know, 1st of all, there was a whole kind of glossed out of, you know, may, these may 1st, may, 2nd, may, may not. and so i really, it was like spring, everybody was celebrating and you know, there was, of course, so it shouldn't be just sweet moments. my father was in the war and you know, they always, you know, when people get together there was a member of those google kiel that who, who were not there with them. but still they moved was a very 1st year, you know, no school. you're going to watch amazing parade, and on tv at 8 was, you know, you can see, you know, people marching. so it was just a lot of a lot of lives, a lot of call lots and lots of joy. you know, i, i don't know how many, you know rations of really at that moment. so we had so you know, and started to use that or whatever. but it was like, we all knew it was like in our bones that this is

a very on foot. it'd be that there's a new it in your boat. and so you know, it that's come that's here again. and i'll talk about that later in the program. here, because i want to talk about how the picture day is being read defined in a very good way. my opinion stephen, you know, in my introduction the collective west is primarily overwhelmingly kind of forgotten this day, this victory day on may 9th. why is that? okay, i mean, it is, they don't want to give credit to the soviet union slash russians and they have a fascism problem. now in the west though, there's a lot of different avenues we could discuss when we talk about the app. if be in the west, i think of the george or little game it was the answer is 1984. the ministry of truth is creating or recreating the boss. so that is why, because of the current of political issues or political agendas,

they are a minuscule in the middle of the soviet union. they don't want to mention that all the 30000000 a soviet most the russian citizens died were killed or died liberating europe. and especially now that we have this a revival of naziism in the, in the west, in general, but especially on the european content 1st and started with eastern europe, but then it spread. uh so uh, if the rumors are true, uh, the symbolism of the victory, the russian flags, the soviet flags wouldn't be bad in, in berlin for the 9th of may. but we'll see. anyways, uh that is a, is a issue that they have a problem with. and also uh well when we talk about historical revisionism, it is germany that is not as k that came out with the resolution that once the

slander ser herbs. and that was the germans who during world war 2 shots of thousands of. busy not only citizens but also a screen children, especially in the city of calgary events during world war 2. so uh now uh with historical revisionism, his game to outrages levels as well. it's very interesting, alexander, when i was a young man. um, one of the most impressive documentary is i've ever seen up it up until today was the world war was made up by the b, b, c. and it was a brilliant, brilliant series. and primarily because it had witnesses, people that were actually witnessed the events making these kind of document present were very difficult because it can't really, you don't have witnesses that it's essentially been washed away. it's not on youtube anymore. when it was a got, it had millions of hits, it was one of the,

like i, i believe one of the greatest documentary is ever made. but there was a 2 episodes in that documentary series that was, i guess you would say today was sympathetic to the soviet union. that's for bowden today. alexander. well, yes, um. as i mentioned before, there's a certain political trends in the west which actually tries to diminish the soviet casualties. and um, also the soviet contribution to actually defeating fascism, the media and just story all christie. and therefore of course, for example, if you look at the change of the official narrative from the west, if you could somehow get the impression that it was actually not the soviet union fighting against hitler and the nazis. and while the 2 bots that there were some kind of ally of national socialism and fascism. yeah. instead it was just because

of the united states of great britain, that's fascist and was defeated, which is of course totally wrong. but since you don't all have dis, westbound war of aggression against russia and um, in this overall war, so ukraine of cause, you're trying to keep an ice russia as much as possible. and this means also altering the history itself. like um that before the ministry of truth is alive and well again, it seems and stuff for you. i have this strange kind off um yeah. just to re policy um going on. no. the only drum any way or no, uh, no longer logs through. so. so if you have flex on the um associates, they are for 3, but uh we're trying to media for example, also try to portray um vladimir putin as the 2nd, the other fiddler got us back in an hour or it's all

a while. the same germany that you're talking about is arming a fascist big battalions in, in your, in ukraine. so it, absolutely. germany has a lot to, it has a lot to answer for, particularly today. okay. let me, you know, one of the things that we've seen here is that when we look at the narrative of the destruction of fascism in europe, you have a, yeah, the hollywood version, saving private. ryan, the wars over after the invasion of normandy, apparently to hollywood. and then you have this very despicable trend of equating this, the soviet union and nazi germany as being the same thing. both are historically obviously wrong. vladimir. yeah, he is being that asian unfortunately. and it was very, you know, very successful campaign i guess in the west, you know, we know by the side is surrender. they asked a french people right after the war. every contribution in the rush or what would

be like, are considered like the main continue to the victory you move forward. 70 years ago, you know, the same ball and all of a sudden the same french people say that, you know, united states, i mean contributor and i tell you a complete exec, i don't need any of those from my teaching to the where it is in the course that he l o place is on the russian culture and my quality historian says to the students, they went to talking about war 2 and that russia won the war. students look like with a big surprise, you know, i think. and he said, yeah, yeah. and brings always going to what was concrete, historical data, they had, you know, okay, you a young students that listen to that, then i am hanging out with my friends all university indicated. and i just refer to the zip as all they looked at me was of course, americans wonder what are you talking about. so this was them making things up as you know, i know i know this of that. so, but i would add that it is don for

a very particular in the new failures. and the reason, because if you're to go to the eyes of the russians last so many people in the, the, you know, such a, such a major event you're bound to take the country and it's interest very seriously. you're bound to take very concerns about national security or, you know, the safety of the board has to use if you, if you think that they didn't do anything, they just don't think it was used. and i think it's really kind of funny how the whole narrative shifts events, you know, now 1st of all, take the interest of jewish people serious me. they remember there was a photo of course. so this is taken seriously. but the last of forget about this is kind of really peculiar. so, you know, we won't bends over backwards to understand the drama. still understand that it isn't that there's all legitimate, it was what it was, you know, russia, what about the national goods and they've been, the board has been crossed again and again and again. but in reading the european forces, who is there just because i didn't, was the russian because initially they just avoid diminishes and,

and just enjoy and even the item of the game tweak now, russians do not. yeah, you know, as, as stephen, the, the historical fact is that the, the, the red army liberated all of the death camps and other camps as it moved west. that history is being forgotten to steven. exactly. i mean, if you ask people, i remember personally, i was starting in the united states and i have these conversations of we were to and who was the greatest computer contributor? i was obviously saying it was the soviet union and people would laugh. i mean, they think that the war was one in the pacific. in babylon, on some islands, with drip out with japan and normandy, and the rest is a, is some blurry picture to doesn't really exist, especially the uh, the story with the death camps. deborah

o liberated by the soviet union. and this is why the holocaust ended when the red army entered these places. so up until they were liberated the, the factories of that were working. and this is one of the, the low st gray this, the she, when he, terry and achievements during the war. but it is the only one of the episode and it is not only not recognized. uh, but uh, it seems that the sanctions, b, c of west against russia are going to be on today's moment. however, uh, by doing this uh, the mainstream west or history other fee has isolated itself as the west has in general. well, what? well, what they do before we go to the rank here, they celebrate nazis and canada. we saw that. okay, we saw that in the end, and that's not going to be the end of

a gentleman. i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on victory de state without the least russian states. never as time the, the most sense communities i saw some, some of the in the system must be the one else holes. question about this, even though we will bend in the european union, the kremlin machine, the state on rochester routing and supports the r t spoke neck, keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube. the services for the question, did you say steven twist, which is the,

the world's largest democracy votes the rest of the planet watches in an emerging multi polar world? india's voice matters. but who will be the power behind watches, almost 1000000000 people decide and billions for react. the welcome back. across stock were all things are considered non peter roosevelt's remind you, we're discussing victory day the okay, let's go back to alexandria in vienna. one of the interesting things here,

since we're talking about history and history all graphy, we look at the present day, the proxy war that is being waged against russia using ukraine. if we think back into 1941, when the soviet union was invaded, nazi germany had an array of a co, a coalition of countries it occupied. it was allied with and it was a collective west, not the, not it states yet. but in the collective west, under the rule of the nazi germany invaded the soviet union. now let's go up to today. russia is facing a wide coalition of western countries, almost exactly the same ones. and it stand off over you crate a lot. you know, if you say that, that's all that's heresy for a lot of people because, you know, with, with russia is saying and the bottom here is already touched upon and, you know, wave after wave. where is of invasions, where did they come from? they come from the west. go ahead. alexander, i'm yes, exactly. i just recently watched um the great movie um, alexander in there, steve,

i said okay. um eisenstein has which actually premier than 19 um, i guess it was 1941 um, shortly before the start of operation. but most of the not situation of the soviet union, which actually had this very topic that there was a long history of westland aggression against russia. of course, coming from the west to rush up because the west is not able to accept russia as the other as a different civilization. right. which is actually not itself and therefore it's, yeah, regularly you could say, tries to destroy russia to obliterate it, to colonize it. um, to carry the parts, as we could see in all these plants about the so called the color nice ation of russia. and unfortunately, there are also these plans of exterminating russian people as we could see. not

only during can i put on all spots. also during the see if puts regimes 2014 events in odessa what's happened then don't boss with domestic. there's there and yeah, that's what, of course, the west somehow try some. so magnets actually, this very fact that it's, that there is a long history of aggressions coming from the west to russia. instead of course, russia is not so elucidating um or insane. if it says that it has the needs for security guarantees by the west, the test a need for peace in eastern europe and for security zone. and of course the for this 3 maybe is not directly repeating itself, but it's rhymes. as i said, there's going to and see there's a real, i'm running from the middle. it shows exactly what an opposite russian until now, no doubt that there is a pattern here. vladimir, it's very interesting. again,

if you look at it, if you want to take history seriously, russia, but we to imperial russia, what we called russian today is the only major land mass. the western powers never call in ice. and that is what they see is a missed opportunity and they, they, they haven't given up on it. they, russia is the only one that stands out there was not colonized by an outside or vladimir. yeah, it's a unique civilization. there is a really good story. and marshal ball, and he wrote about that if you said yes it's and indeed is that, you know, a peculiar uh, unique cautions organization or reach it didn't fall on the other risk than it's x . you know, you can look for either, you know, format. so it is asian or older minds, indians, mexicans, in uh, training is they all will cross it by the west and it will shape in the they, they own the image and likeness as opposed to roger who deals with usually goes into the mendez efforts to defeat a, you know,

a very innovative and i would say with an ad to alexander, you're not allow alexander in the near ski film these uh, a tony, it's nice which in rate is, you know, arise lands and in your state. if it is all century, they will actually related to this border of west the night school in the 4th grade on their way to edward jerusalem. they actually 6 comes on general, but yeah, they just drop this orthodox in house and that is what they did. so these are the say that really, you know, say we were getting and there also it sort of facility just to really just didn't mention over i should as well because as it is, you need to cancel the fees. jayenne is so sort is ation religion. so somehow the risk feels very uncomfortable about it was because the oldest invoice amount over sources and it is a model. yeah. although it, and it was like, you know, a very big interface,

the more so for the west ramp and they continue to do that. so it's a lot of noise based on what you expect and that's paranoid, you know, saving it again, broadly speaking, if we look at what would many would call the greatest hills of the, of the 20th century fascism in for many people, communism fair enough here. but they're all what, those are western ideas, western ideas. they came from the west. unfortunately, it took cold in it, and i'm just expressing my opinion in russia. russia is recovered from that promoters experience. but these are western ideas. they brush it this had to confront. yeah, that is uh to uh, i'd like to go back to the, the issue of broader here a be a west here to be a close as a guest against russia. this is in a way, a unique situation that we are witnessing now that the west is almost completely united or completely united against russia. but it was not the 1st time only 90. essentially, there was a try me of war uh, look at the quotation of

a broader coalition of western countries. but also before that, the napoleonic wars, we always see it as the russians versus the french. but in fact, the french army consisted of many other western european peoples and, and small armies that were uh there were joining in. so in a sense, there is a cycle, a historical cycle of the component that you mention ideas result is also very important because russia was um, for the last 300 years. always, unfortunately, you have some kind of a, a cultural, he's a pre, uh, looking at the was yes and that, that will be an effective by the ideas that the could eventually be almost legal to it. and i think that this is a peculiar moment to the sense that russia is finally awake and, and i don't think that they will repeat the same pattern that started somewhere

with the reforms of peter degrades. and the russia is basically, i think, coming back to itself, well i in and out as stephen, i to add to that i agree with you. absolutely. the difference is rush is modernized itself. it's not it. and it disadvantages, like it was before, particularly as you brought up the crime in more, alexander, i've lived here for 26 years and i studied the european in russian history in a graduate school. and, you know, i always looked at the, the victory day may, 9th is during the soviet union is a legitimizing factor for the communist party. they won the war and they should get the credit. fair enough i, i'm not going to take away from that, but i think now in, in the 21st century a we've already touched upon in this program. this is also separate a celebration of values. and i would say conservative values also go ahead. alexander. yes, um i would agree with you sense of course,

the great picture of the board in russian historiography is um, connected with the defense of the model and switch to defense of russian solver entity and also of course with the defeat of fascism and definitely worse to defeat off of westland aggression against russia and yeah, dell for of course, it's not only an important day for russia, but for the most european countries. yeah, definitely. also because of the events, the ends of fascist months, there may be also ordinary germans and austrian. so suffert's from the consequences of the defeat of fascism. but i guess that's the wherever the feet of fascism itself is an important events. because unfortunately, neither comment is smaller conservatives and all strands in germany were actually able to topple the hitler machine and fascists. and by themselves,

so they needed this help from the outside. otherwise we would maybe still, if under 1st is through and i guess therefore it's also an important day for europe itself. yeah. well, why do i mean it should be, but it's not okay. because, you know, you've been on this program many times and i always appreciated, but this is also a culture war. the west reason rejects russians culture and its attitudes and its value. so that's part of this proxy war against russia. vladimir the yeah, i mean is a, is there, is it, you know, we can, or are we visit as of recently, you know, improve all by the, what in new grade are those a blue? see it's a performance is a can. so all the form is a can so in our i so it's good to you but it, it, yeah, it was like, i remember was reading they, it's at the moment usually they wanted to teach a course on, on the say, yes, you that you, when they came up with the idea. maybe it's not, that's not what it means. it's not that this is like will classic lives ever put your benefits? you know, i did, you know,

i told us they ask you about the semester students. this is to the, as they open up the hippie, you know, we have the most popular courses in our department and the other day it is the best that was wonderful story. you know, this is like universal is and it has to be any customized and appreciate it. but i would also say that to us also have to appreciate, you know, a west and that is there's, you know, we should just diminish it. i mean, be the great was, was a very wise guy and come to global guy. he was president or i can use it to deal with the west to find the where steve has to have more than the more than this one that so why don't we have to be very kind of creative in this not, not, you know, not slave. usually repeats interesting patterns which priority do not walk in, you know, originally supposedly different pieces, a different culture, but to use them for a magically there's absolutely kind of nothing wrong with it. and i think i would say that, you know, with some smart west and this extra understanding and i know all the, you know, the caller id or for example, sustainable agriculture. would it be actively developed by a russian, you know,

scientists, and i know it just grew up working. he was like very much, you know, very much, but it do it and they, and they know that and they're not. and so i think it's west going to be pretty much a garage, it should be problematic doing well, you know, i, i will what we've run out of time. i just, i wish the west would act on its words, you know, like except diversity. they don't accept diversity, but it has a russian present characteristics with it. gentlemen, thank you very much. that's all the time we have one, i think may get some problems. be in it. and in belgrade, and of course i want to thank our yours for watching us here at archie. see you next time. remember process the

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